"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." ~~Thomas Jefferson

"Who will protect us from those who protect us?"

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. ~ Thomas Jefferson

10 January 2013

Biden's gun control task force...

The NRA statement following today's meetings with Biden, et al.

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"The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today's White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners - honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works - and what does not."

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Who is surprised that the White House is making this poltical?  Sounds like the NRA may have it right this time.

As I have said before...  I believe that all gun control measures are unconstitutional.  Period.

I am willing to qualify that, just a little.  I don't want people who are mentally incapable of safely owning a gun to have one.  I don't want violent felons to have guns after they have been released from prison.  That's as far as I'm willing to go with gun control.  That, of course, is just me.  How do you feel about it?

Stay safe.

15 comments:

libertyandlead said...

Violent felons will get their guns from other sources anyway. I believe all laws that restrict any small arms ownership are wrong. I too hope the NRA stands strong. I wish someone would tell Biden that there will be blood if ANYTHING else is restricted. -55six

Graybeard said...

Sounds just like I thought it would be. " You're not here for your input, you're here so it looks like we talked to you. You'll take what we say and like it."

David P said...

Dog and pony show. It expected nothing more.

I'd love to read a transcript of the meeting. I'm sure we'll hear more from the NRA, tomorrow.

Blue said...

liberty and lead...

I agree that violent criminals will get guns wherever they can. I also believe that particular issue is one that cannot be effectively legislated or restricted away. They will get the gun if they want it.

Let me give you a first hand example of my concern about people with known mental issues (keep in mind that the gentleman about whom I am speaking has never been adjudicated mentally incompetent): I have an employee who has a degree in history and a degree in psychology. He has never worked in either of those fields but he definitely knows his shit. He is one of our janitors. Does a great job. He remembers details of conversations that we had 15 years ago. He's also batshit fucking crazy. He has anger management issues (which are amplified when he goes off his meds. Meds which are prescribed by an M.D., not a mental health professional)

Having known him for many years, I can honestly say that I wouldn't want to be in the same county with him if I knew he had a gun.

It's easy to say that I don't think he'd intentionally hurt anyone, other than possibly himself, if he had a gun. I'd be more concerned about him having it and needing it and being unable to make the decision to use it, resulting in a bad outcome for him.

He also has had is storage shed broken into twice and had his bicycles stolen. The second time he watched it happen and called the cops and waited for them while the thieves took his property. If he had a gun he probably would have shit all over himself and then confronted them. Bottom line is that he has horrible decision making capability. He has poor people skills and he has a very low self-confidence level.

I could take him to the range and teach him to safely use a firearm. I am sure he would be ok in that controlled environment, but I have no control (or confidence) over how he would decide to use it in any given situation and I am not willing to be responsible for teaching him. I feel that it would be irresponsible of me to do so.

It is a difficult decision that I have thought about a lot, but in the end I always come to the conclusion that the Second also protects his right to self defense, even though I know it would probably end badly for him if he ever had to use it. Then I think of all the others with similar or worse mental issues...

Quite frankly, it scares me.

Graybeard...

I think that is exactly how it went down. No surprise. I'm just glad that the NRA made the statement that they did, even though the antis will pay no attention to it.

Blue said...

David... I'll be interested in hearing how the Wal Mart rep handled himself and how he handled the threats from Biden.

armedlaughing said...

"Shall not be infringed."
PERIOD

gfa

David P said...

Just a taste of how things went with Uncle Joe and the NRA. The following quote is from a Reuters article.

"Biden sat down for about an hour and a half of talks with an NRA representative and officials from other gun owners' groups after telling reporters he is likely to recommend background checks for all gun buyers and a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips."

He told met with gun owners groups AFTER telling reporters he is likely to recommmend background checks for all gun guyers and a ban on high capacity mags. I say again, AFTER. He had no intention of considering anything the NRA had to say.

Does anyone know anyone who has a wheelchair accessible apartment for rent, in Wyoming? I don't need anything fancy.

David P said...

"NRA gains 100,000 new paid members in 18 days"

http://washingtonexaminer.com/nra-gains-100000-new-paid-members-in-18-days/article/2518123?custom_click=rss#.UO8MpiLkaSp

David P said...

Someone is selling one of the original assault weapons on Ebay:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assault-Weapon-Cavemans-AR15-Assault-Rock-/160953713972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item257996c534

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=33578

It's a caveman's AR (assault rock) 15.

Lighten up, guys. Smile at the bottom of that breath. Squeeze.

Molon labe.

Millwright said...

This has been preplanned for a long time and we are behind the curve, time to catch up. The shock will be when the people you think are on your side, change sides. Greed drives a lot of peoples loyalties.
.Gov will start by squeezing bank accounts.

Blue said...

David... That Assault Rock is a great idea! LOL. Love it!

I read a different article about the 100,000 new members. Sounded like they lost a few after Lapierre was on tv but still had a net gain of 100,000 over previous membership numbers. From 4.1 million to 4.2

Pretty impressive. Probably coming from the NRA introduction kit included with most new firearms :)


Millwright... I don't doubt for a second that they will squeeze bank accounts. Some things are more valuable than money... :) Thanks for stopping by!

Old Bob said...

Today 10 January 2013: discharged a firearm for the first time since the summer of 1961.
Twenty rounds of .38 special fired through a Ruger Blackhawk at a man-sized silhouette target at 21 feet.
I did a lot better than I thought I would:
3.5 in the X area,
1.5 in the 10 (1 on the line),
7 in the 9,
5 in the 8,
3 in the 7,
none elsewhere and no misses.
My Pop taught me gun control before I was 10: aim carefully, squeeze gently.

Blue said...

Bob... That's good work! Excellent!

I'd score that 4 in the X and 1 in the 10. :)

No doubt about it, that's good gun control.

How do you like the Blackhawk?

Anonymous said...

I'm all for violent felons not being able to posses firearms, once someone defines a 'violent felon' to my satisfaction. I think every felon, once served his/her time, has the right to own firearms.

As to mental cases, at the present some 30 % of Americans qualify for that category. The new pychiatrist's bible - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - includes just about every human emotion as a mental health issue. Yup, diarrms all the nuts.

So, ready to throw most Americans to the wolves? Ever took a xanax when your parents or hubby died? How about a percoset after an automobile accident? Most American kids have been raised on Ritalin. All disqualify you from obtaining firearms should the PTB so desire.

Good luck to you if you're ready to sell your fellow Americans down the river.

Let's disarms every nut you've seen at the public range pointing his barrel to you. The list will be endless.

As to the NRA doing something positive for gun owners ...

Tino

P.S. As Armedlaughing wrote: "Shall not be infringed."

Blue said...

Tino... Yep, that's where I always end up when I have this discussion with myself. Always. It's the only way that works.

Thanks for your comment.

Guffaw... I hear ya! :)